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Salvatore Polsi: In the
70s we were all wannabes,

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we did the grunt work
for the mob bosses or

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the upper
echelon mob guys.

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And those mobsters
had power in those days.

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If they gave you an
assignment you couldn't

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refuse and
you had to do it.

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Francis Lewis Boulevard.

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Walk into the
bank, real quiet.

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Bank Robber:
Everybody down!

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Bank Robber 2:
Everybody down!

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Hit the floor!

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[screams].

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Salvatore Polsi:
I run into the bank and

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vault right over
the top of the counter.

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And yell, "Back up!"

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And all the
tellers back up.

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And I go into
each drawer and

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start scooping
the money out.

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My favorite trademark
was to carry a bag with me,

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I'd have two bags in my
pockets and they would be

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little plastic bags and
it said, "I Love New York."

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I noticed every
head teller would have

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a key chain with keys.

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And I said to
the head teller,

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"Into the vault!"

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"Let's go,
into the vault.

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Right now, go!"

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And she hesitated
and she began to urinate

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on the floor
right in front of me.

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Now I kind of felt bad
that I made her do that,

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but I, I don't have time
for this, "To the vault!"

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She went to the vault,
she opened up the door,

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she opened up a
couple of drawers,

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grabbed a whole
bunch of stacks of money.

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We got into the car, we
got back to the safe house

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and we dumped all
the money on the bed.

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That was like one
of the fun moments,

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dumping the
money on the bed.

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So I always robbed the
banks with the same bag,

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"I Love New York," bag.

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Eventually when I got
busted they had reports

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and they said, "We know
how many banks you did,

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you always carried
that little white bag,"

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you know.

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It was a
trademark of a criminal!

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I just couldn't get
away from it, you know!

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NARRATOR: IT'S 1978
 AND THE UNITED STATES

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GOVERNMENT IS AT WAR
 WITH A HIDDEN EMPIRE.

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Newswoman: Mob warfare is
on the rise all across the

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streets of
New York City.

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In Brooklyn, a
low-level mobster is

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shot dead in
broad daylight.

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NARRATOR: A NETWORK
 OF GANGSTERS WHO LiVE BY

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A CODE OF CRIME,
 VIOLENCE AND POWER.

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IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS
 STRUGGLE ARE TWO MEN,

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MICHAEL FRANZESE,
 A MADE MAN IN THE COLOMBO

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CRIME FAMILY;
 THE OTHER JOE PISTONE,

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AN UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT,
 BOTH TRYING TO CLIMB THE

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LADDER AND SURVIVE
 IN THE AMERICAN MOB.

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THEY, ALONG WITH THEIR
 COMPATRIOTS ON BOTH SIDES

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OF THE LAW, ARE WITNESSES
 TO THIS SECRET HISTORY,

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STEPPING FORWARD
 NOW TO TELL THEIR

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STORIES FIRST HAND.

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A FEW STAY IN THE SHADOWS
 FOR REASONS OF PERSONAL

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SAFETY, FEARING A CRIMINAL
 ORGANIZATION THAT REIGNED

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UNCHALLENGED IN THE UNITED
 STATES UNTIL RECENT TIMES.

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AND IN THE 1970S
 THEY WERE UNTOUCHABLE.

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John Marks: What was
the view on organized

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crime when you
joined the Bureau?

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Steve Salmieri:
Back then it was a

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very closed society.

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Organized crime
knew what police could

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or couldn't do.

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Jim Walden: There were
crews within families

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that were
literally untouched, uh,

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by law
enforcement for decades.

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NARRATOR: IN 1978,
 FIVE CRIME FAMILIES RULE

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NEW YORK CITY
 AND THROUGH IT,

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MOST OF THE COUNTRY.

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THE FAMILIES GO BY THE
 NAMES OF THEIR BEST KNOWN

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LEADERS: GAMBINO,
 COLOMBO, BONANNO,

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GENOVESE AND LUCCHESE.

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RIGHT IN THEIR MIDST
 HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT IS

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AN UNDERCOVER
 AGENT NAMED JOE PISTONE.

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HE'S BEEN LIVING AMONG
 THE COLOMBO FAMILY FOR THE

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LAST YEAR UNDER
 THE ALIAS DONNIE BRASCO.

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Joe Pistone:
When I first started,

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the FBI didn't think
there was a mafia.

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[laughs].

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NARRATOR: PISTONE LEAVES
 THE COLOMBO FAMILY LOOKING

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FOR A DEEPER WAY INTO THE
 AMERICAN MOB AND NOW HE'S

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GOT A SHOT AT
INFILTRATING ANOTHER OF

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THE FIVE FAMILIES,
 THE BONANNOS.

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Edward McDonald: The
Bonanno family controlled

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gambling and loansharking
back in the day but those

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days were over and
they had to find other

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ways of making money.

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Jim Walden: The Bonanno
family can be fairly

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characterized as
ground breakers when it came

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to drug trafficking.

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Fat Sal Colombo:
They would smoke drugs,

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rob drug dealers
and they were wild guys.

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Jim Walden: The
Bonanno's were really,

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at this period
of time, the worst.

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NARRATOR: NOW FOR THE
 FIRST TIME IN HISTORY,

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THANKS TO A SINGLE
 UNDERCOVER AGENT,

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THE FBI HAS A
 SHOT AT TAKING DOWN

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AN ENTIRE FAMILY.

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Joseph Coffey:
Joe Pistone was an FBI agent

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who was pretty
effective as an undercover.

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And he was recruited
by the FBI to get into the

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Bonanno family, which
he did by going to a going

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to a guy named
Lefty Guns Ruggiero.

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Joe Pistone: Lefty
was a, a 24/7 gangster.

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He grew up in the life.

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He had relatives
that were in the life.

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He was a tough
guy to be around.

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Selwyn Raab: If you were
in Joe Pistone's shoes,

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you had to know that
every second that you were

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dealing with these
mafia guys might be

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your last
moment on earth.

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One mistake,
the slightest error,

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you're through.

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They never
hesitate to kill.

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Joe Pistone: When
you're with these guys

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you have to blend in.

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They have to, you
have to be believable.

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James Kossler: He had
convinced them that he

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was a very adequate
and very good jewel thief.

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Joe Pistone: I would
bring around some diamonds,

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I'd bring around
watches you know,

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all stuff that
was confiscated

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by the
federal government.

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After a while,
Lefty really becomes

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comfortable with me.

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And he'd be telling
me about who's the boss

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of this family,
the boss of that family.

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I'm gathering great
intelligence information.

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He's like an
encyclopedia of the mob.

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Rudolph Giuliani:
Law enforcement work

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requires infiltration.

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You cannot do all of
it through wiretaps.

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You can't do all
of it through, uh,

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through
telephone intercepts.

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You can't do all
of it through bugs.

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Because you don't
know what to wiretap.

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Lefty Ruggiero: What
happened last night?

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Donnie Brasco: What?

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I called, you
weren't out there.

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I talked to Sonny.

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I called the house,
nobody answered.

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Lefty Ruggiero: Let
me tell you something,

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Donnie, the man
never told me nothing.

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He's playing
games with me.

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He knows that I'm.

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Selwyn Raab: It's a
real goldmine for the FBI.

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Now they have an
agent who is really in

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the middle of
a mafia family.

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NARRATOR:
SOON PISTONE,

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UNDER THE ALIAS
 DONNIE BRASCO

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AND RUGGIERO HATCH
 A SCHEME TOGETHER.

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Joe Pistone: Lefty always
said he was interested in

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expanding out of New York.

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NARRATOR:
 FORTUNATELY, THE FBI'S

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ALREADY GOT
 A GREAT FRONT.

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AN UNDERCOVER
 OPERATION IN A FLORIDA

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NIGHTCLUB CALLED
 THE KING'S COURT.

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Joe Pistone: So we had
a night club going in

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Florida and because
he knew that I was

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the kind of guy
that could be trusted,

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he put me
in charge there.

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NARRATOR: ANOTHER FBI
 AGENT, STEVE SALMIERI,

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IS ALREADY WORKING
 UNDERCOVER IN THE CLUB.

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Steve Salmieri:
The club was set up

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because this was a
venue they could have and

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they could see that
the money could be made.

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So Joe came down
and, uh, you know,

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it really solidified him
with the Bonanno family.

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NARRATOR: THAT NIGHT
 CLUB BECOMES THE BAIT THAT

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LURES LEFTY AND
 THE BONANNOS INTO A TRAP.

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Joe Pistone: Our
operation was confined

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to a very limited
number of individuals.

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So agents would be
taking photographs,

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they're taking
pictures you know,

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on surveillance and I'm
on a lot of the surveillance

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and the agents didn't
know Donnie Brasco

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was really
an FBI agent.

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NARRATOR: OPERATION
 DONNIE BRASCO IS GARNERING

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RESULTS IN FLORIDA.

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BUT BACK IN NEW YORK A
 MAFIA POWER STRUGGLE IS

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ABOUT TO CHANGE
 THE GAME DRAMATICALLY

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FOR JOE PISTONE.

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THE PROBLEM: AN
 AMBITIOUS BONANNO BOSS

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NAMED CARMINE GALANTE.

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News Reporter:
Galante looked more like

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a grandfather than a
godfather as he walked

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his dog each morning
in Greenwich Village.

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But his real
interests embrace gambling,

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prostitution,
loansharking and most of all,

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heroin and other drugs.

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Edward McDonald:
Carmine Galante,

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who got out of
prison after a long prison

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sentence for narcotics
trafficking tried to

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muscle in and
take control over the

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Bonanno crime family.

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Joe Pistone: He
controlled all the

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importation of
drugs into the US.

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And Galante wouldn't
share any of this with

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any of the
other families.

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NARRATOR: SHARING IS
 A GOLDEN RULE AMONG THE

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MAFIA'S FIVE FAMILIES
 AND BOSSES WHO DON'T

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SHARE GET IN TROUBLE
 WITH THE COMMISSION,

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THE GOVERNING BOARD OF
 THE MAFIA WHICH HOLDS THE

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POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH
 OVER ALL OTHER MOBSTERS,

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INCLUDING UPSTART BOSSES.

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Joe Pistone: So the
other families got together

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and they
decided he's got to go.

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He's gotta go.

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Michael Chertoff:
Carmine Galante,

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he's a regular
patron at a restaurant in

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Brooklyn called Joe
and Mary's Restaurant.

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And he goes sit out
in the in the patio in

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the back with
his bodyguards.

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Joseph Coffey: It was
August, hot summer day.

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Just sitting there,
he's having pasta with

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his friends, they're
holding a conversation.

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Michael Chertoff: Car
pulls up in front of the

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restaurant and there
are four people in the car.

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One is the driver
who stays with the car.

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The other three go
through the restaurant,

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they know exactly
where Galante's gonna be.

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Joseph Coffey:
He sits there,

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puts a cigar
in his mouth.

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Michael Chertoff:
They walk into the patio.

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[gunshots]

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Joseph Coffey: They
blow him over the chair

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into the tomato patch.

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News Reporter: Galante
was having lunch in the

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courtyard of an Italian
restaurant in Brooklyn

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when 5 men entered with
automatic rifles and

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shotguns
and opened fire.

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Reporter: Did your
uncle say who he was

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gonna eat
lunch with today?

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Man: No, no, he stopped
every day for coffee.

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Reporter: He stopped
in here every day?

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Man: He don't
know nothing.

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Joseph Coffey: When I get
there they body's still

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there because I get there
pretty quick and there's

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one laying in the
tomato patch with a cigar

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in his mouth and a
Zippo lighter in his hand.

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I look at it,
it's Carmine Galante.

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It was an iconic
picture because

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it went all
over the world.

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My friends in Washington
said Joe Coffey put that

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cigar in his mouth
'cause they, you know,

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I had a sense of humor,
so did he and of course

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I didn't do it but I
let everybody think I did.

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NARRATOR: DOWN IN
 FLORIDA JOE PISTONE GETS

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A CALL FROM NEW YORK.

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Joe Pistone: I was in
Florida looking out after

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the club down there
and I called Lefty because

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I had to call
him every day.

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He says, "Have you
seen the New York papers?"

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And I said I
haven't seen 'em yet.

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He said, "Well go
buy the New York papers

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then call me back."

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I buy the New York paper
and there's the picture.

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I knew from Lefty that
Galante didn't have a lot

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of admirers, but I never
had any indication that

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they were
gonna kill him.

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So I call him back and
I said I got the paper,

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he said,
"You read it?"

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I said, "Yeah."

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He said, "Well
things are gonna change."

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"They killed Galante,

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they want you to
come back to New York."

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NARRATOR:
 GALANTE'S EXECUTION

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SHAKES UP THE
 BONANNO FAMILY.

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IN THE UNSTABLE NEW ORDER,
 IMPRISONED MOBSTER NAMED

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RUSTY RASTELLI BECOMES
 THE BOSS AND A HARD

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CASE NAMED SONNY
 BLACK BECOMES A CAPTAIN.

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LEFTY GETS REASSIGNED
 TO WORK UNDER SONNY BLACK

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AND ALONG FOR THE
 RIDE IS DONNIE BRASCO.

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Selwyn Raab:
Pistone is a godsend.

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He's more
than just a wannabe.

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He's got Lefty Ruggiero
on his side who's bringing

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him in to meet Capos
like Sonny Black Napolitano.

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Joe Pistone: Sonny
Black was a tough guy,

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but you can
joke with him.

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Plus he wanted to
keep earning money and

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the undercover
operation we had in Florida,

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he made
a lot of money.

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NARRATOR: PISTONE NOW
 GETS CLOSE TO SONNY BLACK,

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WHO'S FORTUNES IN THE
 BONANNO FAMILY ARE RISING,

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THANKS IN PART
 TO THE FLORIDA CLUB.

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Selwyn Raab: He's
inside a capo's counsel!

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A capo is talking to
him, dealing with him,

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telling him secrets.

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He's at third base.

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Joe Pistone:
I like Sonny Black.

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I mean, how could
you have comfortable

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conversation with him, uh,
if you really don't like him?

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You know, I used to
spend a lot of time with him

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and I used to
sleep at his apartment.

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I can remember telling
this story my FBI superiors

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and they
couldn't believe it.

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I mean, you know,
he slept in the bedroom,

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I slept on his couch,
we'd get up in the morning

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and we'd sit
around in our underwear.

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And here's me,
an undercover FBI agent

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and one of the most
powerful captains of the

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Bonanno family sitting
there drinking coffee,

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having a hard roll
with butter and watching

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cartoons on television.

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You never see
that in the movies.

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NARRATOR: BUT
 THAT FRIENDSHIP WITH

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SONNY BLACK IS
 ABOUT TO LEAD PISTONE

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STRAIGHT TO
 COLD BLOODED MURDER.

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Both: [laughing].

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NARRATOR: BY 1979,
 FBI UNDERCOVER AGENT

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JOE PISTONE HAS
 ACHIEVED SOMETHING NO FED

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HAD EVER DONE,
 PENETRATING ONE OF THE

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MOB'S MOST
NOTORIOUS FAMILIES,

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THE BONANNO FAMILY.

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THE KEY TO HIS SUCCESS,
 A POWERFUL BONANNO CAPTAIN

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NAMED SONNY BLACK.

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Joe Pistone: The
relationship with Sonny

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really
propelled the operation.

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Because Sonny
really becomes

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comfortable with me.

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Sonny and Lefty would
have conversations and

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not cut me out.

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They'd tell me
about what's going on.

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Edward McDonald:
After the execution

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of Carmine Galante,

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three capos of
the Bonanno crime family

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tried to muscle
in and take control

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over the family.

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Selwyn Raab:
And it's open warfare.

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They're looking
to kill each other.

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Joe Pistone: Three
captains wanted to

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take over the family.

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Sonny "Red" Indelicato,
Phil "Lucky" Giaccone

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and Dominick Trinchera.

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Sonny Black and uh,
Joey Massino call a

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sit down to iron out
their differences.

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NARRATOR: BUT THERE
 IS NO IRONING OUT

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THESE DIFFERENCES.

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IT'S ALL ABOUT POWER.

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Edward McDonald: What was
supposed to be a sit down,

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was a trap, an ambush.

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Joe Massino was there.

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He tackles, uh,
Sonny "Red" Indelicato.

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Shoots him in the head.

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The other two
capos are also killed.

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NARRATOR: THE THREE
 RENEGADE CAPOS ARE DEAD,

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BUT THERE'S
 A LOOSE END.

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Steve Salmieri: Sonny's
crew killed Sonny Red

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and that
pissed people.

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So they were
looking to kill each other

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and Joe's
in the middle.

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NARRATOR: WHAT FOLLOWS
 IS A CONVERSATION

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THAT NO FBI AGENT
 HAS EVER HAD BEFORE,

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PROOF POSITIVE
 THAT JOE PISTONE

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HAS PULLED
 OFF ONE OF THE GREATEST

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DECEPTIONS IN
 LAW ENFORCEMENT HISTORY,

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SONNY BLACK INVITES
HIM TO JOIN THE CLUB.

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Joe Pistone: Sonny
tells me, you know,

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"I already proposed
you for membership

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in the family."

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"You're gonna
get made in December."

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He tells me, you know,
"We took care of those guys."

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He said,
"One got away."

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And I said "Who?"

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He says,
"Bruno Indelicato."

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He said, "I'm giving
you the contract to

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get Bruno Indelicato."

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Now, as an FBI agent,
you can't get involved

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in acts of violence,
unless you're protecting

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yourself or
protecting a citizen.

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And one of the rules in
mafia is that when you get

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a contract, if you
turn it down you're

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gonna get killed.

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So, when I was told,
"You got the contract to

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kill Bruno Indelicato,"
I said, "Okay, Sonny,

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where do
you think he is?"

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Sonny Black:
Come on, take a walk.

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NARRATOR: THE HUNT IS
 ON FOR BRUNO INDELICATO.

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IF PISTONE
 FINDS AND KILLS HIM,

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HE'S GOING TO
 BECOME A MADE MAN,

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EARNING HIS PLACE IN THE
 BONANNO FAMILY WITH BLOOD.

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BUT OVER IN
 THE COLOMBO FAMILY,

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00:16:06,354 --> 00:16:08,556
MICHAEL FRANZESE
 IS EARNING HIS PLACE

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WITH COLD HARD CASH.

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John Marks: Did you
ever have a nickname?

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Michael Franzese:
You know, not till

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later on when the
media tagged me as being

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the Yuppie Don,
which I hated.

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But, uh, nobody would
call me that to my face.

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I tell 'em,
"Don't ever say that to me,

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00:16:21,535 --> 00:16:23,337
I don't like
it," you know?

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00:16:23,371 --> 00:16:25,206
It reminded me of
California and all these

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00:16:25,239 --> 00:16:27,408
kind of weird
guys out there in suits.

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00:16:27,441 --> 00:16:29,677
Selwyn Raab:
Michael Franzese was an

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immense earner for
the Colombo family.

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00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:34,315
And a guy who
knew how to really deal

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00:16:34,348 --> 00:16:36,284
with modern
day capitalism.

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00:16:36,317 --> 00:16:38,086
He was a new breed.

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Michael Franzese: All
right, fellas, let's go.

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Reporter: This handsome,
young mafia prince from

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New York is
Michael Franzese,

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son of legendary
mafia godfather.

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Edward McDonald:
Michael Franzese's father

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was Sonny Franzese.

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00:16:51,465 --> 00:16:53,467
He was a legendary
figure in the world of

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00:16:53,501 --> 00:16:56,204
organized crime,
very powerful figure

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00:16:56,237 --> 00:16:58,106
in the
Colombo crime family.

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Michael Franzese:
You know, my dad he

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00:17:00,274 --> 00:17:01,809
just had that
presence about him

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00:17:01,842 --> 00:17:03,544
that people just
really treated him well.

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00:17:03,577 --> 00:17:05,479
And that's, you know,
for a young guy looking

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00:17:05,513 --> 00:17:07,348
up to your father
that's who I want to emulate.

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00:17:07,381 --> 00:17:09,350
That's how I
want to be in my life.

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00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,519
NARRATOR: AND ONE WAY
 FRANZESE HOPES TO MAKE

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MONEY IS CLASSIC MOB:
 THROUGH THE LABOR UNIONS.

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00:17:14,522 --> 00:17:16,757
Michael Franzese:
I had some very

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00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:18,826
lucrative
situations with unions.

428
00:17:18,859 --> 00:17:22,130
One of them, in a, a major
contracting construction

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00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:26,534
job with a major
developer in, um, in Queens.

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00:17:26,567 --> 00:17:29,537
And this is a major job,
it was the biggest co-op

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00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:31,739
conversion in the
country at that time.

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00:17:31,772 --> 00:17:33,707
And one of the
guys in there, uh,

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00:17:33,741 --> 00:17:36,210
happened to be the
brother of a girl that

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00:17:36,244 --> 00:17:38,446
I was dating
at one time.

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00:17:38,479 --> 00:17:40,214
And he got in touch
with me and he said,

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00:17:40,248 --> 00:17:43,151
"Mike, I've got this
job," and he said,

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00:17:43,151 --> 00:17:45,153
"The union is really
harping on us," he said,

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00:17:45,186 --> 00:17:46,887
"You think
you can help out?"

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00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,756
I said yeah.

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00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:51,725
So um, I go and
meet the labor union guy.

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00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:54,162
And I said, "You realized
what we got here, right?"

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00:17:54,162 --> 00:17:55,529
"Biggest job
in the country."

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00:17:55,563 --> 00:17:57,165
I said,
"Let's work this thing."

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00:17:57,165 --> 00:17:58,432
And he said, "Great."

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00:17:58,466 --> 00:18:00,834
So we made a deal to
keep the union out of there

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00:18:00,868 --> 00:18:02,903
and we charged
the developer so much

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00:18:02,936 --> 00:18:05,306
for every
apartment that he converted.

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00:18:05,339 --> 00:18:07,341
We hired all the trades,
we did everything and we

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00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:09,310
made a ton of
money both legitimately

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and through the unions.

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00:18:11,212 --> 00:18:13,847
And we whacked
it up among everybody.

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00:18:13,881 --> 00:18:15,616
John Marks: Can
I ask you, the term

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00:18:15,649 --> 00:18:17,718
"whack it up," is that
the same as "kick it up?"

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00:18:17,751 --> 00:18:19,820
Michael Franzese:
Whack it up, divide it up,

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00:18:19,853 --> 00:18:22,390
cut it up, share it,
yeah, that's a street term.

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00:18:22,423 --> 00:18:23,757
You never
said share it.

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00:18:23,791 --> 00:18:25,626
It's whack.

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00:18:25,659 --> 00:18:27,761
Whack has different
forms of uh, different uses,

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00:18:27,795 --> 00:18:29,763
I would say.

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NARRATOR: FRANZESE
 IS PART OF A NEW GENERATION

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00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,302
OF GANGSTERS RISING UP
 THROUGH THE RANKS OF THE

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AMERICAN MOB
 IN THE LATE 1970S.

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ANOTHER ONE IS A
 GUY NAMED JOHN GOTTI,

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00:18:39,273 --> 00:18:42,243
A SMALL TIME HOOD FROM
 QUEENS LOOKING TO MAKE A

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00:18:42,276 --> 00:18:44,212
NAME FOR HIMSELF
 AND LATCH ON TO ONE

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00:18:44,245 --> 00:18:45,646
OF THE FIVE FAMILIES.

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Joseph Coffey: I
was involved in various

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00:18:48,282 --> 00:18:49,950
investigations of
John Gotti through the years,

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00:18:49,983 --> 00:18:51,719
from the time
when he was a nothing guy.

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Salvatore Polsi:
In the '70s, we were

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00:18:53,987 --> 00:18:55,823
all wannabes,
even John Gotti was a

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00:18:55,856 --> 00:18:58,526
wannabe in the '70s.

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NARRATOR:
 BETWEEN SCORES GOTTI KILLS

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TIME WITH
 OTHER MOB WANNABES,

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00:19:02,896 --> 00:19:05,366
SMOKING,
 DRINKING, PLAYING CARDS.

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00:19:05,399 --> 00:19:07,868
Salvatore Polsi: We
would be playing poker,

477
00:19:07,901 --> 00:19:09,870
his cigar would be down,
he would just hold his

478
00:19:09,903 --> 00:19:11,672
cards and he
wanted to play.

479
00:19:11,705 --> 00:19:13,941
And every once in a while
when he got a good hand,

480
00:19:13,974 --> 00:19:16,577
this long De Nobili
cigar would go up in the air

481
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:18,312
and I
would notice!

482
00:19:18,346 --> 00:19:20,248
And no
one spotted it!

483
00:19:20,281 --> 00:19:21,849
And the minute we
saw that cigar go up,

484
00:19:21,882 --> 00:19:23,517
we were
out the door!

485
00:19:23,551 --> 00:19:24,918
We threw
our hand in!

486
00:19:24,952 --> 00:19:26,720
And he could never
figure out what he did.

487
00:19:26,754 --> 00:19:28,689
He was,
he had a tell.

488
00:19:28,722 --> 00:19:30,258
And he was
a wild gambler.

489
00:19:30,291 --> 00:19:31,325
And he would
just lose every night!

490
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,361
NARRATOR: RUMORS
 START TO SPREAD OF AN

491
00:19:33,394 --> 00:19:34,862
OUTSIZED
 PERSONALITY IN QUEENS.

492
00:19:34,895 --> 00:19:36,697
Fat Sal Colombo: And
all of a sudden you started

493
00:19:36,730 --> 00:19:38,532
hearing this
John Gotti, John Gotti.

494
00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:39,800
John Gotti this,
John Gotti that.

495
00:19:39,833 --> 00:19:41,469
We used to
say who the (bleep) is

496
00:19:41,502 --> 00:19:42,570
this John Gotti?

497
00:19:42,603 --> 00:19:43,471
I ain't
never heard of him.

498
00:19:43,504 --> 00:19:44,538
Salvatore Polsi:
He was a wild and crazy

499
00:19:44,572 --> 00:19:47,708
flamboyant personality,
high energy, charismatic.

500
00:19:47,741 --> 00:19:49,843
Joseph Coffey: He
had a two-prong attack

501
00:19:49,877 --> 00:19:51,545
to become a made guy.

502
00:19:51,579 --> 00:19:53,381
In the mafia you're
made either one of two ways,

503
00:19:53,414 --> 00:19:54,848
you're an earner or
you do hits for them.

504
00:19:54,882 --> 00:19:57,585
If you do both,
you're a huge made guy.

505
00:19:57,618 --> 00:19:59,820
He was.

506
00:19:59,853 --> 00:20:01,989
NARRATOR: IT'S THE
 BEGINNING OF A LEGENDARY

507
00:20:02,022 --> 00:20:03,957
CAREER IN
 THE AMERICAN MOB.

508
00:20:08,762 --> 00:20:11,265
NARRATOR: IN
 THE LATE 1970S,

509
00:20:11,299 --> 00:20:13,033
A NEW GENERATION OF
 GANGSTERS IS RISING UP

510
00:20:13,066 --> 00:20:14,835
THROUGH THE RANKS
 OF THE AMERICAN MOB.

511
00:20:14,868 --> 00:20:17,805
AMONG THEM IS A
 GUY NAMED JOHN GOTTI.

512
00:20:17,838 --> 00:20:20,474
Joseph Coffey: John Gotti
was a low level gangster

513
00:20:20,508 --> 00:20:22,310
who was like banned
from the racetracks because

514
00:20:22,343 --> 00:20:24,512
he was a mafia figure.

515
00:20:24,545 --> 00:20:26,747
He was involved in
hijacking trailer trucks

516
00:20:26,780 --> 00:20:28,516
coming out
of the airport,

517
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:30,384
plus he wouldn't
hesitate to kill somebody.

518
00:20:30,418 --> 00:20:32,353
Michael Franzese:
I had my first business

519
00:20:32,386 --> 00:20:34,455
encounter with John Gotti.

520
00:20:34,488 --> 00:20:37,391
It wasn't a very
pleasant experience.

521
00:20:37,425 --> 00:20:39,727
Two brothers came
to me and they had a

522
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,062
guy that had a
flea market in Brooklyn.

523
00:20:42,095 --> 00:20:45,032
This guy's partner
was dealing drugs and

524
00:20:45,065 --> 00:20:47,568
it was
disruptive to the market.

525
00:20:47,601 --> 00:20:50,538
So I intercede, I go
meet with him and we make a,

526
00:20:50,571 --> 00:20:53,073
an arrangement and
I chase his partner out.

527
00:20:53,106 --> 00:20:57,411
Two weeks later, uh John
calls me up, John Gotti.

528
00:20:58,679 --> 00:20:59,947
Yeah, hello?

529
00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:01,582
He says, "Mike,
I need to see you."

530
00:21:01,615 --> 00:21:03,016
I said, "Okay."

531
00:21:03,050 --> 00:21:05,052
I go meet
him and he says,

532
00:21:05,085 --> 00:21:06,520
"That flea
market in Brooklyn."

533
00:21:06,554 --> 00:21:07,821
"Yeah?"

534
00:21:07,855 --> 00:21:09,022
He says, "The
guy you chased out."

535
00:21:09,056 --> 00:21:10,758
"Yeah," I said.

536
00:21:10,791 --> 00:21:12,360
"He's with me."

537
00:21:12,393 --> 00:21:15,095
I say, "John, come on
you know he just ran to you."

538
00:21:15,128 --> 00:21:17,097
"No, no, I know
the guy a long time."

539
00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:18,899
John wasn't
pulling out and

540
00:21:18,932 --> 00:21:20,934
I wasn't
gonna give up.

541
00:21:20,968 --> 00:21:22,936
There's no way John
Gotti would walk away

542
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:24,772
from an
argument with anybody,

543
00:21:24,805 --> 00:21:26,874
including himself
thinking that he lost.

544
00:21:26,907 --> 00:21:28,709
So I said "John
there's no way I wanna;

545
00:21:28,742 --> 00:21:30,478
this guy's a drug
addict, I don't want

546
00:21:30,511 --> 00:21:31,845
to be around him."

547
00:21:31,879 --> 00:21:33,614
I said "I'm
gonna buy you guys out,

548
00:21:33,647 --> 00:21:35,816
name your price."

549
00:21:35,849 --> 00:21:38,752
And it's
like I knew it.

550
00:21:38,786 --> 00:21:41,054
He said, "You don't
buy me out, I buy you out."

551
00:21:41,088 --> 00:21:42,723
And that's
what happened.

552
00:21:42,756 --> 00:21:44,725
He bought me out,
gave me the money and

553
00:21:44,758 --> 00:21:47,895
I gave my guy
money, we kept some and

554
00:21:47,928 --> 00:21:51,098
he took the market and
within 3 months they closed.

555
00:21:51,131 --> 00:21:52,900
It was over.

556
00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:54,134
So that was
my first business

557
00:21:54,167 --> 00:21:57,471
encounter with Gotti.

558
00:21:57,505 --> 00:22:00,007
Joseph Coffey:
John Gotti was a thug.

559
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,612
IQ of maybe a
mothball, but a thug.

560
00:22:04,645 --> 00:22:06,914
NARRATOR: BUT
 COLOMBO FAMILY MEMBER

561
00:22:06,947 --> 00:22:09,016
MICHAEL FRANZESE IS
 ALSO MAKING A NAME FOR

562
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:11,719
HIMSELF AS AN
 EARNER AMONG EARNERS.

563
00:22:11,752 --> 00:22:14,021
HE BRINGS IN BIG SCORES
 THAT ATTRACT ATTENTION

564
00:22:14,054 --> 00:22:15,689
THROUGHOUT THE
 FIVE FAMILIES OF

565
00:22:15,723 --> 00:22:17,157
THE AMERICAN MOB.

566
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:18,859
BUT NOTHING SO
 FAR COMPARES TO THE SCAM

567
00:22:18,892 --> 00:22:20,494
HE'S ABOUT
 TO PULL OFF.

568
00:22:20,528 --> 00:22:22,430
Michael Franzese:
This guy came to me and

569
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:24,932
he tells me, he says,
"Look, we can make some money,

570
00:22:24,965 --> 00:22:26,834
I've got
kind of a scheme."

571
00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:28,536
"I have gas stations."

572
00:22:28,569 --> 00:22:30,103
So I said, "Alright,
let's start a new company,"

573
00:22:30,137 --> 00:22:31,972
I says and "Show me
how this thing works

574
00:22:32,005 --> 00:22:33,774
and I'll see if
I want to pursue it."

575
00:22:33,807 --> 00:22:35,776
I'll never forget,
a week or two later,

576
00:22:35,809 --> 00:22:38,546
this guy came to me
and he's holding a box.

577
00:22:38,579 --> 00:22:40,814
And he used to bring
me meat, he was a butcher.

578
00:22:40,848 --> 00:22:43,451
He walks in, I says,
"What are we having a party?

579
00:22:43,451 --> 00:22:45,052
What we're gonna
do with all this meat?"

580
00:22:45,085 --> 00:22:46,920
And he says,
"Hey chief, it ain't meat."

581
00:22:46,954 --> 00:22:48,589
And he goes in
and he puts it on the

582
00:22:48,622 --> 00:22:50,090
kitchen table
and he opens it up.

583
00:22:50,123 --> 00:22:52,660
He said, "First week's
take in the gas business."

584
00:22:52,693 --> 00:22:55,729
$380,000 in cash.

585
00:22:55,763 --> 00:22:59,066
Got my
attention, right?

586
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,169
Selwyn Raab: Michael
Franzese was an immense

587
00:23:02,202 --> 00:23:04,805
earner for the
Colombo family and

588
00:23:04,838 --> 00:23:09,042
his biggest coup was
something known as the

589
00:23:09,076 --> 00:23:11,679
"Daisy Chain
Gasoline Scam."

590
00:23:11,712 --> 00:23:13,647
What happened was,

591
00:23:13,681 --> 00:23:16,216
New York State,
in the 1970s,

592
00:23:16,249 --> 00:23:18,819
decided to use a
different way of collecting

593
00:23:18,852 --> 00:23:21,522
gasoline excise
taxes every year.

594
00:23:21,555 --> 00:23:23,190
Michael Franzese:
At that time,

595
00:23:23,223 --> 00:23:25,493
whoever owned the gas
station was responsible

596
00:23:25,493 --> 00:23:27,027
to pay the tax on every
gallon of gasoline that

597
00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:28,696
they bought and pumped.

598
00:23:28,729 --> 00:23:30,030
Selwyn Raab: And
somebody hit upon the

599
00:23:30,063 --> 00:23:31,732
idea that this was stupid.

600
00:23:31,765 --> 00:23:33,701
R. Lindley Devecchio: So
the legislature in New York

601
00:23:33,734 --> 00:23:35,769
said, "Well let's make
distributors responsible

602
00:23:35,803 --> 00:23:37,505
for paying the
taxes or whatever they

603
00:23:37,505 --> 00:23:38,739
want to levy."

604
00:23:38,772 --> 00:23:41,108
NARRATOR: BUT THE GAS
 COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO

605
00:23:41,141 --> 00:23:42,743
PAY THE TAX
 ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

606
00:23:42,776 --> 00:23:44,978
SO FRANZESE FIGURES
 OUT ALL HE HAS TO DO IS

607
00:23:45,012 --> 00:23:47,147
SET UP DUMMY
 COMPANIES THAT DON'T PAY.

608
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:49,082
IT TAKES MONTHS FOR THE
 GOVERNMENT TO FIGURE OUT

609
00:23:49,116 --> 00:23:51,519
THE SCAM AND COLLECT
AND BY THAT TIME THE

610
00:23:51,552 --> 00:23:53,854
DUMMY COMPANIES
 ARE LONG GONE.

611
00:23:53,887 --> 00:23:56,757
R. Lindley Devecchio: It
was a fairly complicated

612
00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:58,759
scheme that involved a
lot of dummy corporations,

613
00:23:58,792 --> 00:24:00,661
which made it
difficult to trace back

614
00:24:00,694 --> 00:24:03,263
the original source,
that being Franzese.

615
00:24:03,296 --> 00:24:05,633
Edward McDonald: And
somewhere along the line,

616
00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:08,569
a stamp would come out
and would say "Tax Paid."

617
00:24:08,602 --> 00:24:11,004
And it was very
difficult to establish just,

618
00:24:11,038 --> 00:24:13,040
you know, which
company was saying that

619
00:24:13,073 --> 00:24:14,808
they paid the tax.

620
00:24:14,842 --> 00:24:16,777
NARRATOR: THAT'S
 BECAUSE NO COMPANY IS

621
00:24:16,810 --> 00:24:18,612
PAYING THE TAX.

622
00:24:18,646 --> 00:24:20,113
ALL OF THE
 MONEY IS GOING INTO

623
00:24:20,147 --> 00:24:21,849
MICHAEL FRANZESE'S POCKETS.

624
00:24:21,882 --> 00:24:24,151
Michael Franzese: I
had 18 licensed companies.

625
00:24:24,184 --> 00:24:26,554
All of them were
operating um out of Panama,

626
00:24:26,554 --> 00:24:28,922
so there was no
trail back to any of us.

627
00:24:28,956 --> 00:24:31,291
Selwyn Raab: The gasoline
tax scam has to go down in

628
00:24:31,324 --> 00:24:34,127
history as one of the
most successful coups

629
00:24:34,161 --> 00:24:37,765
ever pulled
by the mafia.

630
00:24:37,798 --> 00:24:39,733
Michael Franzese:
I was making a lot of

631
00:24:39,767 --> 00:24:40,934
money in
the gas business.

632
00:24:40,968 --> 00:24:42,603
Millions of
dollars a week.

633
00:24:42,636 --> 00:24:43,971
I had a jet plane,
I had a helicopter,

634
00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:45,573
I had all the
money I wanted,

635
00:24:45,606 --> 00:24:47,040
I did whatever
I wanted to do.

636
00:24:47,074 --> 00:24:48,842
And word was
getting out on the street

637
00:24:48,876 --> 00:24:50,744
that even though I
was handing in millions,

638
00:24:50,778 --> 00:24:52,946
that I was
making billions.

639
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:55,583
News Reporter: The
so-called "Franzese Group,"

640
00:24:55,616 --> 00:24:57,050
a new mafia
organization that federal

641
00:24:57,084 --> 00:24:59,052
prosecutors say could
be behind the mob's theft.

642
00:24:59,086 --> 00:25:00,988
Michael Franzese:
A story came out,

643
00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:02,856
I believe in
News Day again,

644
00:25:02,890 --> 00:25:04,725
that I was becoming
powerful enough to break

645
00:25:04,758 --> 00:25:06,093
away from the Colombos
and start my own family.

646
00:25:06,126 --> 00:25:08,228
News Reporter: Said to
be behind the mobs theft of

647
00:25:08,261 --> 00:25:09,897
hundreds of
millions of dollars in

648
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:11,765
gasoline taxes in New York.

649
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,734
Michael Franzese: My
dad then got out on parole.

650
00:25:13,767 --> 00:25:16,003
NARRATOR:
 FRANZESE'S FATHER, SONNY,

651
00:25:16,036 --> 00:25:18,038
IS RELEASED FROM
 PRISON AFTER SERVING TIME

652
00:25:18,071 --> 00:25:20,073
FOR MASTERMINDING A
 SERIES OF BANK ROBBERIES.

653
00:25:20,107 --> 00:25:22,342
BUT HE'S ALSO RUMORED TO
 BE A COLD BLOODED KILLER,

654
00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:24,812
AN ACCUSATION
 FAMILIAR TO HIS SON.

655
00:25:24,845 --> 00:25:26,814
Michael Franzese: Law
enforcement said he killed

656
00:25:26,847 --> 00:25:29,750
at least 30 people, back
then, now I think it's 60,

657
00:25:29,783 --> 00:25:33,621
but as far as a
dad, he was dad for me.

658
00:25:33,621 --> 00:25:34,922
I loved him.

659
00:25:34,955 --> 00:25:36,757
I idolized my dad.

660
00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:38,659
He was everything
that I thought a man's

661
00:25:38,692 --> 00:25:41,629
man should be.

662
00:25:41,629 --> 00:25:44,632
Every child wants a
reason to love their parents.

663
00:25:44,632 --> 00:25:47,067
You have to give them
strong reasons not to love

664
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,069
their parents and
I don't have any reason

665
00:25:49,102 --> 00:25:51,639
not to love mine,
regardless of anything.

666
00:25:51,639 --> 00:25:53,674
The word gets out on
the street I'm becoming a

667
00:25:53,707 --> 00:25:55,809
target of law enforcement
and all of the sudden the

668
00:25:55,843 --> 00:25:58,045
two Franzeses together,
the son is making tons

669
00:25:58,078 --> 00:26:00,213
of money, guys
start to think about it.

670
00:26:00,247 --> 00:26:02,115
You know,
a double-edged sword.

671
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:05,385
Even my own father.

672
00:26:05,418 --> 00:26:07,921
I was told he
put a contract on me.

673
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:13,727
NARRATOR: BY
 THE EARLY 1980S,

674
00:26:13,761 --> 00:26:15,929
COLOMBO CAPTAIN
 MICHAEL FRANZESE'S SUCCESS

675
00:26:15,963 --> 00:26:18,231
IN GAS TAX SCAMS
 HAS EARNED HIM AND THE

676
00:26:18,265 --> 00:26:20,300
COLOMBO FAMILY MILLIONS.

677
00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:22,670
BUT IN THE AMERICAN
 MOB, SUCCESS CAN BE AS

678
00:26:22,703 --> 00:26:25,005
DANGEROUS AS FAILURE,
 ESPECIALLY IF THE MOB

679
00:26:25,038 --> 00:26:27,007
THINKS YOU'RE
 SKIMMING THE TAKE.

680
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,342
SO WHEN MICHAEL'S FATHER,
 THE LEGENDARY GANGSTER

681
00:26:29,376 --> 00:26:33,781
SONNY FRANZESE, CALLS
 HIM, HE STARTS TO SWEAT.

682
00:26:33,814 --> 00:26:35,182
Michael Franzese:
One night I get uh,

683
00:26:35,215 --> 00:26:37,217
a call from my dad and
he said, "I gotta see ya."

684
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:38,418
I said, "Okay."

685
00:26:38,451 --> 00:26:41,188
He was on parole
so I go to his house.

686
00:26:41,221 --> 00:26:43,924
How ya doin, Pop?

687
00:26:43,957 --> 00:26:46,126
We're in the driveway
of his house and he said,

688
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:47,961
"Uh Junior wants
to see us tonight."

689
00:26:47,995 --> 00:26:49,362
I said, "Okay, what
time do you want me

690
00:26:49,396 --> 00:26:50,898
to pick you up?"

691
00:26:50,931 --> 00:26:52,933
He said, "Well, they
want to do this differently,

692
00:26:52,966 --> 00:26:54,434
they want me to
come in first and they

693
00:26:54,467 --> 00:26:56,103
want you to
come in second."

694
00:26:56,136 --> 00:26:57,838
I said,
"Why would we do that?"

695
00:26:57,871 --> 00:26:59,239
He says, "Well
this is what they want."

696
00:26:59,272 --> 00:27:01,742
I said, "We're
not gonna do that, dad."

697
00:27:01,775 --> 00:27:03,076
You're crazy
if you're gonna do it.

698
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:04,244
I'm not doing it.

699
00:27:04,277 --> 00:27:06,113
Finally, I remember,
I threw my hands up,

700
00:27:06,146 --> 00:27:07,414
we're in the drive way.

701
00:27:07,447 --> 00:27:09,249
I said, "Alright Dad,
I've been listening to you

702
00:27:09,282 --> 00:27:12,185
all my life," and I
said, "I don't like it but

703
00:27:12,219 --> 00:27:13,954
if this is what
you want we'll do it."

704
00:27:13,987 --> 00:27:16,256
So I leave and then Jimmy
Angelina calls me and he

705
00:27:16,289 --> 00:27:20,093
tells me to meet
him on uh, on 18th Avenue.

706
00:27:22,029 --> 00:27:23,864
Jimmy was a
captain too at the time,

707
00:27:23,897 --> 00:27:26,800
I knew
Jimmy all my life.

708
00:27:26,834 --> 00:27:28,235
I get in the car and
there's a guy sitting in

709
00:27:28,268 --> 00:27:30,037
the back that
I didn't know and

710
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:32,105
uh he don't
introduce me.

711
00:27:32,139 --> 00:27:33,941
And um, you know
at that point I was just

712
00:27:33,974 --> 00:27:38,846
really thinking
something's really bad here.

713
00:27:42,783 --> 00:27:47,755
It was a house in
Brooklyn that we were going to.

714
00:27:49,122 --> 00:27:51,024
I get out of the
car and I start walking.

715
00:27:51,058 --> 00:27:53,460
And Jimmy
gets behind me.

716
00:27:53,493 --> 00:27:58,165
And the other
guy is behind him.

717
00:27:58,198 --> 00:28:00,333
Now this
is bad set up.

718
00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,835
And I'll be
honest with you,

719
00:28:01,869 --> 00:28:03,503
I was getting
really nervous.

720
00:28:03,536 --> 00:28:05,873
I wasn't a religious
guy anyway but I started

721
00:28:05,906 --> 00:28:09,943
to pray because I
really thought that I'm dead.

722
00:28:12,545 --> 00:28:15,783
Look, I been in
the life quite a while.

723
00:28:15,783 --> 00:28:18,118
I know that you get
walked into a room by your

724
00:28:18,151 --> 00:28:20,788
best friend, you
don't walk out again.

725
00:28:20,821 --> 00:28:24,858
So um, door
opens, I get in there.

726
00:28:24,892 --> 00:28:27,327
A couple of the
guys are there and um,

727
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,529
they start grilling me
about the gas business and

728
00:28:29,562 --> 00:28:31,398
the money and
all of this and that

729
00:28:31,431 --> 00:28:33,266
and everything else.

730
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,268
And they're trying
to make an impression

731
00:28:35,302 --> 00:28:37,004
on me that you know
I'm still the boss,

732
00:28:37,037 --> 00:28:38,806
don't think you can
get away with anything.

733
00:28:38,806 --> 00:28:40,007
Without saying
it, they said it.

734
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,842
I got it.

735
00:28:41,875 --> 00:28:43,911
NARRATOR:
 THE MEETING ENDS AND

736
00:28:43,944 --> 00:28:46,279
TO FRANZESE'S
 SURPRISE, HE'S STILL ALIVE.

737
00:28:46,313 --> 00:28:48,048
Michael Franzese:
So now Jimmy's gonna

738
00:28:48,081 --> 00:28:49,249
drive me back.

739
00:28:49,282 --> 00:28:50,417
I said
goodbye to everybody.

740
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:51,885
We get in the car.

741
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:53,186
I'm ready to
really open up on him.

742
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:54,321
I was really
upset with him.

743
00:28:54,354 --> 00:28:55,989
He didn't
tell me anything.

744
00:28:56,023 --> 00:28:57,324
So I get in
the car and I say,

745
00:28:57,357 --> 00:28:58,859
"I know
you all my life.

746
00:28:58,892 --> 00:28:59,827
You don't
prepare me?

747
00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:01,895
You don't tell me
anything that's going on?"

748
00:29:01,929 --> 00:29:03,496
And uh, he said,
"I'm gonna tell you

749
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:04,998
something Michael."

750
00:29:05,032 --> 00:29:06,499
He says, "You're
father was in there

751
00:29:06,533 --> 00:29:07,968
before you tonight.

752
00:29:08,001 --> 00:29:09,502
He didn't
help you one bit.

753
00:29:09,536 --> 00:29:11,438
You were on
your own in there."

754
00:29:11,471 --> 00:29:13,340
And it really
affected me in a bad way.

755
00:29:13,373 --> 00:29:18,411
And I said, "Man, I can't
trust my own father here."

756
00:29:20,613 --> 00:29:22,916
I kind of felt
the walls closing in on

757
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:27,420
me at that point.

758
00:29:27,454 --> 00:29:29,857
He threw me
under the bus in that

759
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:31,959
he didn't defend me.

760
00:29:31,992 --> 00:29:33,894
And that's almost as bad
as indicting me, you know?

761
00:29:33,927 --> 00:29:37,464
As saying,
"He did it."

762
00:29:37,497 --> 00:29:39,532
And I said,
"This money that I'm making,

763
00:29:39,566 --> 00:29:41,101
what do I do?"

764
00:29:41,134 --> 00:29:42,602
"Do I stop?"

765
00:29:42,635 --> 00:29:45,172
This is like a
double-edged sword for me.

766
00:29:45,205 --> 00:29:47,607
And um, I, I
didn't have an answer.

767
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,310
I didn't
have a solution.

768
00:29:50,343 --> 00:29:52,079
And I said, "I'm
just going to keep

769
00:29:52,112 --> 00:29:53,280
doing what I'm doing."

770
00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,347
NARRATOR: WHILE COLOMBO
 CAPTAIN MICHAEL FRANZESE

771
00:29:54,381 --> 00:29:56,316
STRUGGLES WITH
 THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS

772
00:29:56,349 --> 00:29:58,351
GAS SCAM,
 ACROSS TOWN IN BROOKLYN,

773
00:29:58,385 --> 00:30:00,587
UNDERCOVER AGENT JOE
 PISTONE IS ABOUT TO BECOME

774
00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:02,555
AN OFFICIAL MEMBER
 OF THE BONANNO FAMILY,

775
00:30:02,589 --> 00:30:04,624
AN ORGANIZATION WHO
 MAKE THEIR MONEY NOT

776
00:30:04,657 --> 00:30:07,594
JUST FROM EXTORTION AND
 LOANSHARKING, BUT DRUGS.

777
00:30:07,627 --> 00:30:09,963
UNDER THE
 ALIAS "DONNIE BRASCO,"

778
00:30:09,997 --> 00:30:11,899
HE'S PENETRATED THE
 ORGANIZATION DEEPER THAN

779
00:30:11,932 --> 00:30:14,367
ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT
 OFFICER IN HISTORY.

780
00:30:14,401 --> 00:30:17,204
HE'S ABOUT TO BECOME
 A MADE MAN, BUT FIRST,

781
00:30:17,237 --> 00:30:20,040
TO PROVE HIMSELF,
HE MUST KILL.

782
00:30:20,073 --> 00:30:21,641
Joe Pistone:
When I was told,

783
00:30:21,674 --> 00:30:24,311
you got the contract
to kill Bruno Indelicato,

784
00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,313
I accepted it
because what am I gonna say?

785
00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:27,647
No, I don't
want to do it?

786
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,216
I can't do it?

787
00:30:29,249 --> 00:30:31,084
But we had a plan
in place, you know.

788
00:30:31,118 --> 00:30:32,552
Sonny sent me
looking for him.

789
00:30:32,585 --> 00:30:34,087
Sonny Black:
Come on, take a walk.

790
00:30:34,121 --> 00:30:35,989
Joe Pistone: If I
spotted him I called the FBI

791
00:30:36,023 --> 00:30:37,624
and they come and snatch
him and we'd stage a hit.

792
00:30:37,657 --> 00:30:39,192
Or if they found
him, they'd snatch him

793
00:30:39,226 --> 00:30:40,928
and we'd
stage a hit.

794
00:30:40,961 --> 00:30:43,063
Selwyn Raab:
The FBI is faced with

795
00:30:43,096 --> 00:30:44,564
an incredible dilemma.

796
00:30:44,597 --> 00:30:46,533
What are
they gonna do if

797
00:30:46,566 --> 00:30:48,601
Joe Pistone,
AKA Donnie Brasco,

798
00:30:48,635 --> 00:30:50,270
is asked to
go along on a hit?

799
00:30:50,303 --> 00:30:51,638
That's a no-no.

800
00:30:51,671 --> 00:30:53,040
They can't do it.

801
00:30:53,073 --> 00:30:55,375
But will
it blow his cover?

802
00:30:55,408 --> 00:30:57,945
And the slightest
suspicion could lead to

803
00:30:57,978 --> 00:31:00,914
Donnie Brasco's death.

804
00:31:00,948 --> 00:31:03,951
NARRATOR: SO THE
 FBI MAKES A DECISION.

805
00:31:03,984 --> 00:31:06,053
James Kossler: Joe was
not allowed to become a

806
00:31:06,086 --> 00:31:07,654
member of
La Cosa Nostra.

807
00:31:07,687 --> 00:31:10,023
The bureau decided
that would not be in

808
00:31:10,057 --> 00:31:12,325
the best interest
of him or the bureau,

809
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,627
um and so we
pulled him out of there.

810
00:31:14,661 --> 00:31:17,130
NARRATOR: AFTER SIX
 LONG YEARS UNDER COVER,

811
00:31:17,164 --> 00:31:19,166
THE FEDS PULL PISTONE
 FROM THE STREETS

812
00:31:19,199 --> 00:31:21,568
AND SHUTTER
 OPERATION DONNIE BRASCO.

813
00:31:21,601 --> 00:31:24,671
NOW IT'S TIME TO LET
 THE MOB KNOW THE TRUTH.

814
00:31:24,704 --> 00:31:26,506
Joe Pistone: When the
operation was gonna be

815
00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:29,409
closed down we had a
meeting with three agents

816
00:31:29,442 --> 00:31:31,544
and uh, one of
them knew Sonny Black.

817
00:31:31,578 --> 00:31:33,413
So what I did was
I took a picture with

818
00:31:33,446 --> 00:31:36,516
these guys with
my credentials and uh,

819
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:38,551
the agents went
to Sonny Black

820
00:31:38,585 --> 00:31:41,521
[knocking sound]

821
00:31:41,554 --> 00:31:43,991
and they showed him a
photograph of myself and

822
00:31:44,024 --> 00:31:46,526
the guys, uh,
and they said,

823
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,528
"You know Sonny,

824
00:31:48,561 --> 00:31:50,430
we just want you to
know that uh this guy

825
00:31:50,463 --> 00:31:52,132
you know as
Donnie Brasco is really

826
00:31:52,165 --> 00:31:53,600
Special Agent
Joseph D. Pistone

827
00:31:53,633 --> 00:31:55,468
of the FBI.

828
00:31:55,502 --> 00:31:57,570
He's been working
undercover for six years."

829
00:31:57,604 --> 00:32:00,473
And what Sonny said was,
"Well, I don't know.

830
00:32:00,507 --> 00:32:02,509
If I see
him I'll know."

831
00:32:02,542 --> 00:32:04,611
And that was it.

832
00:32:04,644 --> 00:32:06,379
Then they
told him that,

833
00:32:06,413 --> 00:32:08,348
"Sonny, once this comes
out you're better off coming

834
00:32:08,381 --> 00:32:13,520
with us 'cause you know
you're gonna get killed."

835
00:32:13,553 --> 00:32:15,355
And he just told them,

836
00:32:15,388 --> 00:32:17,224
"Look, I don't believe it,"

837
00:32:17,257 --> 00:32:19,092
and he just
shrugged it off.

838
00:32:19,126 --> 00:32:20,427
And that was it.

839
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,029
And they left.

840
00:32:22,029 --> 00:32:24,131
And he calls Lefty,
calls the other guys in

841
00:32:24,164 --> 00:32:26,299
the crew, they all
go to the Motion Lounge.

842
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:27,600
Sonny Black:
The Feds were just here.

843
00:32:27,634 --> 00:32:29,469
They say Donnie's FBI.

844
00:32:29,502 --> 00:32:32,239
Joe Pistone: And he
tells 'em what happened.

845
00:32:32,272 --> 00:32:34,441
In the beginning Lefty
couldn't believe it either.

846
00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,143
Lefty couldn't
believe that I was

847
00:32:36,176 --> 00:32:37,544
an undercover agent.

848
00:32:37,577 --> 00:32:39,579
When he found out
I can't say here on

849
00:32:39,612 --> 00:32:42,582
camera what
his response was.

850
00:32:42,615 --> 00:32:46,486
It wasn't good,
it wasn't good.

851
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,488
NARRATOR: WORD SPREADS
 IN THE STREETS BONANNO

852
00:32:48,521 --> 00:32:50,590
ASSOCIATE DONNIE BRASCO
 IS ACTUALLY A FEDERAL AGENT,

853
00:32:50,623 --> 00:32:52,525
AN INFILTRATION
THAT WILL SOON SHATTER

854
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,062
THE AMERICAN MOB.

855
00:32:55,728 --> 00:32:58,798
INFILTRATING THE
 BONANNO FAMILY TO ITS CORE.

856
00:32:58,831 --> 00:33:00,800
BUT AFTER SIX
 YEARS UNDERCOVER,

857
00:33:00,833 --> 00:33:03,070
THE FEDS PULLS HIM
 OUT BEFORE HE MUST KILL

858
00:33:03,103 --> 00:33:05,372
SOMEONE OR
 GET KILLED HIMSELF.

859
00:33:05,405 --> 00:33:07,507
AND THE NEWS QUICKLY
 SPREADS IN THE STREETS

860
00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:09,642
THAT THE WISE GUY
 KNOWN AS DONNIE BRASCO.

861
00:33:09,676 --> 00:33:11,578
Sonny Black:
They say Donnie's FBI.

862
00:33:11,611 --> 00:33:13,613
NARRATOR: ISN'T
 WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE.

863
00:33:13,646 --> 00:33:15,748
Michael Franzese: I
remember meeting Donnie Brasco,

864
00:33:15,782 --> 00:33:17,517
Joe Pistone, with Lefty.

865
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:19,086
We didn't
have any business,

866
00:33:19,086 --> 00:33:20,653
it was hello and
goodbye, he was there,

867
00:33:20,687 --> 00:33:22,322
there was
nothing more discussed.

868
00:33:22,355 --> 00:33:24,524
But when we found out what
happened and it was common

869
00:33:24,557 --> 00:33:26,793
knowledge on the street
that he was an informant

870
00:33:26,826 --> 00:33:30,663
FBI agent, it was
pretty shocking because they,

871
00:33:30,697 --> 00:33:32,365
he was almost
straightened out.

872
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:34,101
He had
gotten that far.

873
00:33:34,101 --> 00:33:36,203
Joe Pistone: And then
what happened once they found

874
00:33:36,236 --> 00:33:38,638
out it was me, uh,
the Commission got together

875
00:33:38,671 --> 00:33:40,407
and the
Commission put together a

876
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,775
$500,000
contract out on me.

877
00:33:42,809 --> 00:33:45,212
NARRATOR: PISTONE
 GETS OUT OF NEW YORK FAST,

878
00:33:45,245 --> 00:33:47,114
HIDING OUT IN
FBI HEADQUARTERS IN

879
00:33:47,114 --> 00:33:48,681
WASHINGTON, DC.

880
00:33:48,715 --> 00:33:50,850
BUT WITHIN THE MOB THOSE
 WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR

881
00:33:50,883 --> 00:33:53,386
DONNIE BRASCO'S
 RISE MUST PAY THE PRICE.

882
00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:55,222
Joe Pistone: Sonny
had to fess up to all

883
00:33:55,255 --> 00:33:57,457
the bosses
what had happened.

884
00:33:57,490 --> 00:34:00,560
So he gets a
call to go to a sit down.

885
00:34:00,593 --> 00:34:02,295
He walks into
the Motion Lounge.

886
00:34:02,329 --> 00:34:03,663
Bartender:
Hey, Sonny.

887
00:34:03,696 --> 00:34:05,598
Joe Pistone: And
tells the bartender,

888
00:34:05,632 --> 00:34:07,700
I just got called
to a sit down and

889
00:34:07,734 --> 00:34:09,569
he gives him his ring,

890
00:34:09,602 --> 00:34:11,771
gives him his money,
gives him his keys except

891
00:34:11,804 --> 00:34:19,146
his car keys and he calls
his girlfriend and says,

892
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:23,216
"They tell me Donnie
was an undercover agent,

893
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:25,618
I didn't believe it,
now I believe it."

894
00:34:25,652 --> 00:34:27,454
If you ever see
Donnie tell him I'm

895
00:34:27,487 --> 00:34:31,158
glad it was him.

896
00:34:31,758 --> 00:34:33,526
So he goes
to the sit down.

897
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,894
And the next
thing they know is

898
00:34:34,927 --> 00:34:38,831
Sonny Black is gone.

899
00:34:42,469 --> 00:34:47,374
Lefty was on his
way to get killed and

900
00:34:47,407 --> 00:34:49,409
surveillance team
snatched him up because

901
00:34:49,442 --> 00:34:51,611
they heard that you
know when he gets here

902
00:34:51,644 --> 00:34:54,881
we're gonna
kill him, whack him.

903
00:34:54,914 --> 00:34:56,816
NARRATOR:
 A YEAR LATER,

904
00:34:56,849 --> 00:34:59,252
LAW ENFORCEMENT
 MAKES A GRUESOME DISCOVERY.

905
00:34:59,286 --> 00:35:01,788
Joe Pistone: They
found Sonny's body in '82

906
00:35:01,821 --> 00:35:04,591
in a body bag with
his hands cut off.

907
00:35:04,624 --> 00:35:07,627
And the reason that they
did that was he introduced

908
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:11,898
me to bosses
that I shook hands with.

909
00:35:11,931 --> 00:35:13,633
Did I want
to see him die?

910
00:35:13,666 --> 00:35:16,769
No, I mean look,
you know, that's not my job.

911
00:35:16,803 --> 00:35:18,638
My job is to
gather evidence to

912
00:35:18,671 --> 00:35:21,208
put you in jail.

913
00:35:21,208 --> 00:35:23,776
Lefty, he spends
his 15, 18 years in the

914
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:26,546
can doesn't say a word.

915
00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:28,281
'Cause they
took that oath and

916
00:35:28,315 --> 00:35:30,717
they believed
in that oath.

917
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:32,385
They took
that oath and

918
00:35:32,419 --> 00:35:34,554
they believed
in that oath.

919
00:35:34,587 --> 00:35:36,256
NARRATOR: BUT
 PISTONE'S NOT THE ONLY

920
00:35:36,289 --> 00:35:37,824
ONE CHOOSING A NEW PATH.

921
00:35:37,857 --> 00:35:40,227
ACROSS TOWN,
 MICHAEL FRANZESE,

922
00:35:40,227 --> 00:35:42,595
A CAPTAIN AND TOP EARNER
 IN THE COLOMBO FAMILY,

923
00:35:42,629 --> 00:35:45,598
IS BECOMING DISILLUSIONED
 WITH HIS WAY OF LIFE.

924
00:35:45,632 --> 00:35:47,767
BUT THAT'S THE
 LEAST OF HIS TROUBLES,

925
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,437
LAW ENFORCEMENT'S
 CLOSING IN.

926
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:52,672
Michael Franzese:
I started to feel the

927
00:35:52,705 --> 00:35:54,974
pressure in the early
80s and the government uh

928
00:35:55,007 --> 00:35:56,843
opened my eyes to
it and that they had

929
00:35:56,876 --> 00:35:58,878
a major undercover
operation on me,

930
00:35:58,911 --> 00:36:01,381
on this gasoline
case and everything else.

931
00:36:01,414 --> 00:36:03,450
Rudolph Giuliani: It would
seem that Michael Franzese

932
00:36:03,483 --> 00:36:04,917
is unfortunately
following in the footsteps

933
00:36:04,951 --> 00:36:06,486
of his father.

934
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,288
Michael Franzese:
The FBI can allege and

935
00:36:08,321 --> 00:36:09,656
say whatever they like.

936
00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:11,491
They've been doing
it for many, many years.

937
00:36:11,524 --> 00:36:13,626
Edward McDonald: Well,
the FBI identified him

938
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:14,994
as a
significant target.

939
00:36:15,027 --> 00:36:17,630
Informants were
providing information to

940
00:36:17,664 --> 00:36:19,932
the FBI about this
up and coming, um, you know,

941
00:36:19,966 --> 00:36:22,269
sophisticated gangster.

942
00:36:22,269 --> 00:36:24,271
So the FBI came to us
and said that they wanted

943
00:36:24,271 --> 00:36:25,738
to bring a
case against him.

944
00:36:25,772 --> 00:36:27,840
Michael Franzese:
I got a visit uh in my uh

945
00:36:27,874 --> 00:36:30,743
offices out in Long
Island from two FBI agents.

946
00:36:30,777 --> 00:36:32,412
And they came in
to see me and they said,

947
00:36:32,445 --> 00:36:33,580
"We need
to talk to you."

948
00:36:33,613 --> 00:36:34,981
I said,
"What do you want?"

949
00:36:35,014 --> 00:36:37,417
They said, "Listen,
tell us what you're doing

950
00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:39,319
and we'll
give you a pass."

951
00:36:39,352 --> 00:36:40,853
Yeah, right.

952
00:36:40,887 --> 00:36:42,522
And I said, "Well,
I don't know what

953
00:36:42,555 --> 00:36:44,023
you're talking
about with gas."

954
00:36:44,056 --> 00:36:45,692
You know?

955
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,694
So I knew, and said,
"This is not good."

956
00:36:47,727 --> 00:36:49,629
I mean I really got
their attention now.

957
00:36:49,662 --> 00:36:51,631
Edward McDonald:
We gathered evidence,

958
00:36:51,664 --> 00:36:54,301
primarily from
cooperating witnesses and

959
00:36:54,301 --> 00:36:57,804
when he was faced
with a lengthy trial and

960
00:36:57,837 --> 00:37:00,507
the prospect of getting
a very lengthy sentence.

961
00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:02,475
Michael Franzese:
People were being convicted,

962
00:37:02,509 --> 00:37:03,910
100 years, 150 years,

963
00:37:03,943 --> 00:37:05,612
I said, they're gonna
give me 1,000 years

964
00:37:05,645 --> 00:37:07,547
if I go down on this.

965
00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:09,716
Edward McDonald: He
decided to plead guilty

966
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:11,784
and to make restitution
payments of ten million

967
00:37:11,818 --> 00:37:13,786
dollars, which he
pretty much defaulted on.

968
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:16,423
News Reporter:
Michael Franzese indicted on

969
00:37:16,456 --> 00:37:20,793
28 counts of racketeering,
fraud and extortion.

970
00:37:20,827 --> 00:37:22,729
Michael Franzese:
I had made two very bad

971
00:37:22,762 --> 00:37:24,397
decisions in my life.

972
00:37:24,431 --> 00:37:26,533
I trusted my father,
look where it got me.

973
00:37:26,566 --> 00:37:28,735
I surrendered my
life to La Cosa Nostra

974
00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:31,971
and look
where it got me.

975
00:37:32,505 --> 00:37:34,707
I got death threats,
hits all over me,

976
00:37:34,741 --> 00:37:36,576
the FBI hates me,
everybody on the street

977
00:37:36,609 --> 00:37:38,511
hates me,
my father disowned me.

978
00:37:38,545 --> 00:37:40,413
I don't have a
friend in the world.

979
00:37:40,447 --> 00:37:41,981
I'm gonna spend the
rest of my life in a

980
00:37:42,014 --> 00:37:43,683
6 x 8 cell.

981
00:37:43,716 --> 00:37:46,453
And it was the first
and only time in my life

982
00:37:46,486 --> 00:37:51,558
that I, I
really felt hopeless.

983
00:37:52,459 --> 00:37:54,594
Edward McDonald: Then
he kind of shocked us,

984
00:37:54,627 --> 00:37:58,097
because he came forward
and agreed to cooperate.

985
00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,567
And based on the
cooperation he provided,

986
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,435
he did get his
sentenced reduced.

987
00:38:02,469 --> 00:38:04,704
Michael Franzese:
I got 4 years on a parole

988
00:38:04,737 --> 00:38:07,374
violation and I spent
35 months and 13 more

989
00:38:07,374 --> 00:38:10,577
days in prison, 29 months
and 7 days in the hole.

990
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:15,081
And during that
time is when I, um,

991
00:38:15,114 --> 00:38:17,884
strengthened
my faith and um,

992
00:38:17,917 --> 00:38:20,987
started to
read the Bible.

993
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:22,955
NARRATOR: BUT
 FRANZESE GETS OUT AND

994
00:38:22,989 --> 00:38:24,724
LIVES TO TELL THE TALE.

995
00:38:24,757 --> 00:38:26,459
Michael Franzese:
Do I find it surprising

996
00:38:26,493 --> 00:38:27,827
that I'm alive?

997
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:29,529
I feel I'm the
most blessed guy

998
00:38:29,562 --> 00:38:30,963
walking the streets.

999
00:38:30,997 --> 00:38:32,432
What should
my fate have been?

1000
00:38:32,465 --> 00:38:33,966
I should either be
dead or in prison

1001
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,768
for the
rest of my life.

1002
00:38:35,802 --> 00:38:37,770
NARRATOR: THE SON WHO
 ONCE FOLLOWED HIS GANGSTER

1003
00:38:37,804 --> 00:38:39,739
FATHER BLINDLY INTO
 THE LIFE NOW WALKS AWAY

1004
00:38:39,772 --> 00:38:41,808
FROM THE MOB
 FOREVER, UNSCATHED.

1005
00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:43,743
Edward McDonald:
I cannot explain how

1006
00:38:43,776 --> 00:38:45,712
Michael Franzese was
able to do what he did.

1007
00:38:45,745 --> 00:38:47,847
The only
speculation we have

1008
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,516
is that he
paid his way out.

1009
00:38:49,549 --> 00:38:52,419
Somehow he was able to
persuade people in the

1010
00:38:52,419 --> 00:38:54,654
Colombo crime family
not to do anything to him.

1011
00:38:54,687 --> 00:38:56,756
Michael Franzese: Really,
the only way that ends is

1012
00:38:56,789 --> 00:39:00,427
when you end and
you're in a coffin, it's over.

1013
00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:02,161
NARRATOR: HOW
 MICHAEL FRANZESE

1014
00:39:02,194 --> 00:39:04,063
GOT OUT OF THE
 AMERICAN MOB WITH

1015
00:39:04,096 --> 00:39:05,898
HIS LIFE REMAINS A
 MYSTERY TO THIS DAY.

1016
00:39:05,932 --> 00:39:07,867
BUT THE WORST
 DEEDS OF FRANZESE'S

1017
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,001
PAST STILL HAUNT HIM.

1018
00:39:09,035 --> 00:39:10,803
ESPECIALLY THE
 MURDER OF A CLOSE FRIEND,

1019
00:39:10,837 --> 00:39:12,639
"CHAMPAGNE"
 LARRY CARROZZA.

1020
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,075
Michael Franzese:
Larry Carrozza was someone

1021
00:39:16,108 --> 00:39:17,677
very close to me.

1022
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,079
I mean the kid
loved me and I loved him.

1023
00:39:20,112 --> 00:39:21,948
I baptized his kids.

1024
00:39:21,981 --> 00:39:24,984
He baptized
my daughter.

1025
00:39:25,017 --> 00:39:27,053
Unbeknownst to
me, he was having

1026
00:39:27,086 --> 00:39:29,489
an affair
with my sister.

1027
00:39:29,522 --> 00:39:31,991
I was brought in
and it was told to me

1028
00:39:32,024 --> 00:39:33,926
that this is
what was going on.

1029
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,562
Man: The word
is on the street.

1030
00:39:35,595 --> 00:39:37,697
NARRATOR: NO ONE
 MESSES WITH MOB WOMEN.

1031
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:40,933
THOSE WHO DO
 PAY A HEAVY PENALTY.

1032
00:39:40,967 --> 00:39:42,769
Michael Franzese: I was
told he disrespect you

1033
00:39:42,802 --> 00:39:44,971
and he disrespected
your father and that's

1034
00:39:45,004 --> 00:39:47,474
something that uh,
we don't stand for in

1035
00:39:47,507 --> 00:39:48,908
this life and I said,

1036
00:39:48,941 --> 00:39:50,643
"But you know,
he's not a made guy."

1037
00:39:50,677 --> 00:39:52,044
Stupid.

1038
00:39:52,078 --> 00:39:53,780
And how do we know
what really happened and

1039
00:39:53,813 --> 00:39:55,648
let me talk to
my sister," and "Nope.

1040
00:39:55,682 --> 00:39:57,750
You want to take care of
it, you take care of it.

1041
00:39:57,784 --> 00:39:59,486
If not, we'll
take care of it."

1042
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,120
And I said,
"I don't wanna do it."

1043
00:40:01,153 --> 00:40:03,523
I says, "The guy's
too close to me."

1044
00:40:06,092 --> 00:40:08,461
NARRATOR: LARRY
 CARROZZA'S BODY IS

1045
00:40:08,495 --> 00:40:10,797
FOUND NEAR HIS CAR.

1046
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:13,199
HE IS SHOT A SINGLE
 TIME BEHIND THE EAR.

1047
00:40:13,232 --> 00:40:15,768
Michael Franzese:
His murder, that's probably

1048
00:40:15,802 --> 00:40:17,470
something that
uh has been the

1049
00:40:17,504 --> 00:40:18,638
heaviest on my heart.

1050
00:40:18,671 --> 00:40:20,840
NARRATOR: THESE DAYS
 IT'S FAITH THAT HELPS

1051
00:40:20,873 --> 00:40:22,642
FRANZESE COPE WITH
 THE DARKNESS OF HIS PAST.

1052
00:40:22,675 --> 00:40:24,076
Michael Franzese:
Guys, be honest.

1053
00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:25,678
You don't come to
church but you figure,

1054
00:40:25,712 --> 00:40:27,179
"Hey, Sopranos is
off the air, let me go

1055
00:40:27,213 --> 00:40:29,516
see what the real mob
guy is all about, right?"

1056
00:40:29,549 --> 00:40:30,883
[laughter].

1057
00:40:30,917 --> 00:40:32,652
Michael Franzese:
That's your only interest.

1058
00:40:32,685 --> 00:40:34,987
What I did, I
did and that's it.

1059
00:40:35,021 --> 00:40:37,223
As Christians, we happen
to believe that we can be

1060
00:40:37,256 --> 00:40:39,058
forgiven for what
we've done in the past.

1061
00:40:39,091 --> 00:40:41,628
So I believe with
all my heart that

1062
00:40:41,661 --> 00:40:43,863
I've been forgiven.

1063
00:40:43,896 --> 00:40:45,765
NARRATOR: A LINE
 THAT'S HARD FOR A LOT

1064
00:40:45,798 --> 00:40:47,166
OF PEOPLE TO SWALLOW.

1065
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:48,901
Michael Franzese:
People can say it's a

1066
00:40:48,935 --> 00:40:50,837
phoney thing and
it's a scam and you know

1067
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:52,739
fortunately, in the end,

1068
00:40:52,772 --> 00:40:54,707
they're not gonna be
the ones that judge me.

1069
00:40:54,741 --> 00:40:56,709
But I can't fool
God, [laughs] you know?

1070
00:40:56,743 --> 00:40:57,877
God bless you all.

1071
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:59,846
Host: Thank Michael
Franzese, thank you.

1072
00:40:59,879 --> 00:41:02,014
NARRATOR: MICHAEL FRANZESE
 IS OUT OF THE LIFE TODAY,

1073
00:41:02,048 --> 00:41:04,083
BUT HIS FATHER
 SONNY NEVER WALKED AWAY.

1074
00:41:04,116 --> 00:41:06,719
Michael Franzese: You
know, my dad's 96 years old.

1075
00:41:06,753 --> 00:41:08,588
He's the oldest
living mob guy in America.

1076
00:41:08,621 --> 00:41:10,823
I think he's part
of this life 66 or 67

1077
00:41:10,857 --> 00:41:13,025
years ago
he took the oath.

1078
00:41:13,059 --> 00:41:15,061
Edward McDonald: He
just recently was convicted

1079
00:41:15,094 --> 00:41:17,129
at the age of 96,
I think he was convicted

1080
00:41:17,163 --> 00:41:19,131
on racketeering
charges and was incarcerated

1081
00:41:19,165 --> 00:41:21,968
again, uh, was
active until the age of 96

1082
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:24,036
and it's
absolutely amazing.

1083
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:26,205
Michael Franzese: He is
a treasure trove of mob

1084
00:41:26,238 --> 00:41:29,041
stories, if you can get
him to talk about them.

1085
00:41:29,075 --> 00:41:31,611
NARRATOR: SONNY
 FRANZESE IS A LAST HOLD-OVER

1086
00:41:31,644 --> 00:41:33,813
FROM THE GOLDEN AGE
 OF THE AMERICAN MOB,

1087
00:41:33,846 --> 00:41:35,915
AN ERA THAT ENDS WITH
 THE SUCCESS OF OPERATION

1088
00:41:35,948 --> 00:41:38,618
DONNIE BRASCO, THE
 HISTORIC INFILTRATION OF

1089
00:41:38,651 --> 00:41:40,687
THE BONANNO FAMILY
 BY UNDERCOVER AGENT

1090
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,589
JOE PISTONE.

1091
00:41:42,622 --> 00:41:44,724
Michael Chertoff:
Up until 1970,

1092
00:41:44,757 --> 00:41:46,292
all you could do
with the mafia is,

1093
00:41:46,325 --> 00:41:48,695
like you know men with
their eyes closed trying

1094
00:41:48,728 --> 00:41:50,162
to feel an elephant.

1095
00:41:50,196 --> 00:41:51,931
You would get a
little piece of it,

1096
00:41:51,964 --> 00:41:53,733
but all you could prove
was someone who actually

1097
00:41:53,766 --> 00:41:55,835
committed a
particular crime.

1098
00:41:55,868 --> 00:41:57,870
Joe Pistone
did something unique,

1099
00:41:57,904 --> 00:42:00,339
which is he
infiltrated the Bonanno Family,

1100
00:42:00,372 --> 00:42:02,308
the organized
crime family,

1101
00:42:02,341 --> 00:42:04,611
with such success
that he was on the verge

1102
00:42:04,644 --> 00:42:06,913
of being
made as a member.

1103
00:42:06,946 --> 00:42:09,816
In doing that not
only did he collect direct

1104
00:42:09,849 --> 00:42:12,619
evidence of crimes
against the Bonanno Family,

1105
00:42:12,619 --> 00:42:14,987
but he was able
to talk knowledgeably

1106
00:42:15,021 --> 00:42:18,758
about the structure
of the whole mafia.

1107
00:42:19,158 --> 00:42:22,228
Joe Pistone: This
undercover case was

1108
00:42:22,261 --> 00:42:26,132
the beginning of the
unravelling of the mafia

1109
00:42:26,165 --> 00:42:30,102
in America as we
knew it, as it once was.

1110
00:42:30,136 --> 00:42:32,705
NARRATOR: ALL IN ALL,
 THE INFORMATION PISTONE

1111
00:42:32,739 --> 00:42:35,041
PROVIDES LAW
 ENFORCEMENT LEADS TO OVER 200

1112
00:42:35,074 --> 00:42:37,276
INDICTMENTS AND MORE
 THAN 100 CONVICTIONS

1113
00:42:37,309 --> 00:42:38,945
OF MAJOR MOB FIGURES.

1114
00:42:38,978 --> 00:42:40,780
BUT IT IS ONLY
 THE BEGINNING OF THE

1115
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:42,281
GOVERNMENT'S
 ALL OUT ASSAULT ON

1116
00:42:42,314 --> 00:42:43,950
THE AMERICAN MOB.

1117
00:42:43,983 --> 00:42:46,218
James Kossler:
Joe Pistone's role as

1118
00:42:46,252 --> 00:42:49,121
Donnie Brasco
was historic in the FBI.

1119
00:42:49,155 --> 00:42:51,758
Historic in
law enforcement.

1120
00:42:51,791 --> 00:42:53,693
Rudolph Giuliani:
Pistone broke the

1121
00:42:53,726 --> 00:42:55,327
confidence of the mafia.

1122
00:42:55,361 --> 00:42:57,664
He broke the
mystique that you

1123
00:42:57,697 --> 00:42:59,398
couldn't
infiltrate the mafia.

1124
00:42:59,431 --> 00:43:01,267
That mystique was very,
very important in getting

1125
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:03,102
people to cooperate,
'cause now all of a sudden

1126
00:43:03,135 --> 00:43:05,371
it isn't this
impregnable organization

1127
00:43:05,404 --> 00:43:07,974
that nobody's
ever penetrated.

1128
00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:10,242
Steve Salmieri:
Joe Pistone and his case,

1129
00:43:10,276 --> 00:43:13,913
was the perfect
storm for organized crime.

1130
00:43:13,946 --> 00:43:15,882
Joe Pistone: We, we
kicked the (bleep) out of them.

1131
00:43:15,915 --> 00:43:18,851
We really did.

1132
00:43:23,189 --> 00:43:25,024
NARRATOR: BUT THE
 AMERICAN MOB STILL HAS

1133
00:43:25,057 --> 00:43:26,993
ENORMOUS POWER
 IN NEW YORK CITY AND

1134
00:43:27,026 --> 00:43:29,161
AROUND THE
 COUNTRY IN THE 1980'S.

1135
00:43:29,195 --> 00:43:30,863
Leonetti: You always
have to use your brain

1136
00:43:30,897 --> 00:43:33,132
and you always
have to use the gun.

1137
00:43:33,165 --> 00:43:35,134
NARRATOR: IN CITIES
 LIKE PHILADELPHIA,

1138
00:43:35,167 --> 00:43:37,203
HOME TO THE MOST
 VIOLENT MOB FAMILIES IN

1139
00:43:37,236 --> 00:43:38,705
THE UNITED STATES.

1140
00:43:38,738 --> 00:43:40,406
Leonetti: We live by
our own set of rules.

1141
00:43:40,439 --> 00:43:42,308
NARRATOR: AND A
 MAJOR BATTLEGROUND IN

1142
00:43:42,341 --> 00:43:44,276
LAW ENFORCEMENT'S WAR TO
 END THE RULE OF COSA NOSTRA.

1143
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:47,046
Pichini: His reign
becomes a reign of terror.

1144
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,815
Nick Scarfo: I invoke
my right and decline to

1145
00:43:48,848 --> 00:43:50,249
answer the question.

1146
00:43:50,282 --> 00:43:51,784
Leonetti: We got
away with murder.

1147
00:43:51,818 --> 00:43:53,252
[gunshots].

